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Whewell papers |
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215 |
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1818–53 |
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1 box |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. The day after WW left Cambridge he reached Jones [Richard Jones]. He spent the next week sightseeing: Portsmouth, Stonehenge and several cathedrals. On his travels he picked up four of his pupils and they all proceeded on to Snowdon where they were joined by the rest of his group: 'The Celts do not please me any better on a nearer view, they seem a very primitive and single headed but a very stupid race'. If the 'new tales of my Landlord' are published could JCH get Deighton [Cambridge book publishers] to send them hither. He would also like Monk's pamphlet [James H. Monk, 'A Vindication of the University of Cambridge, from the Reflections of Sir J. E. Smith', 1818] and the new number of the Edinburgh Review if it is out. WW received a letter from Monk offering him the Lectureship [Mathematics] which he thinks he will accept. 1 doc. |
26 Jul 1818 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW thinks it 'is no doubt a circumstance calculated to make one distrust one's feelings and opinions very much to find that character depends so much upon situation. There seems to be scarcely any alternative between seeing objects tinged with false colours by viewing them through the medium of professional habits or favorite pursuits, and seeing them perfectly colourless and uninviting by establishing yourself in a vacumn of prejudices. Your profession has a greater tendency than others to efface the simplicity and energy of the wind because it is generally cultivated more exclusively. The quantity of reading and attention which it requires and still more the quantity of trifling and common place which are necessary, operate as a very heavy window tax upon the intellect; and in that case of course it is the sky lights which are first shut up'. JCH's 'principles of poetry are incompatible with the mental habits of men existing in a state of society like ours'. JCH 'must allow that science is a much more satisfactory study; your knowledge there is undeniable and its accumulation eternal and impersihable you know what truth is'. Conversely the spiritual nature of man is so mysterious and unaccountable: 'I can make nothing of it and could almost find in my heart to forswear speculating about it and to be content to feel and love the beautiful and what seems to me without knowing why or caring wherefor'. . 1 doc. |
25 Feb 1819 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW and Richard Sheepshanks expedition to France did not take place because they were shipwrecked: 'We lost everything even to our hats and Sheepshank's smart frock'. This means he will be able to work intensely on his mechanics in Cambridge ['An Elementary Treatise on mechnics', 1819]. WW is to comply with JCH's request for him to fall in love with Miss Reynolds: 'a little more time and a few more moonlight walks I should have been very far gone'. All WW's 'little loves' in Cambridge 'are likely to die away; especially now that I have no one alas! to talk to of them - Marianne is going to be married to that porpoise looking man the landlord of the red lion and I never trouble myself about her'. 1 doc. |
26 Sep 1819 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. The Master of Trinity has died and Christopher Wordsworth is favourite to replace him: 'If this turn out so, he shall invite his brother here [William Wordsworth] and you shall come and meet him and we will be the most practical and psychological college in the universe - though certainly some of us are bad materials for such an edifice'. WW is glad to see JCH in print [JCH's translation of 'Sintram', 1820] but hopes he doesn't get stuck as simply a translator of 'German novels for the conversion of the heathen - your preface I perceive abuses unfortunate people who are puzzled with the connexion between the mind and the soul as I used to be and who try by anatomizing to discover the way in which the flesh and muscles of the moral man act upon the 'wordy skeleton' of reason'. . 1 doc. |
01 Jul 1820 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is sorry he is late executing JCH's request: 'Some days elapsed before I got Bonney's life [Henry Kaye Bonney, 'Life of Jeremy Taylor', 1815], and again before I could arrange with Schoelfield [James Scholefield] to see the Register, so that I did not examine it till this morning'. Scholfield claimed Bonney had made all the researches which were likely to be of use. WW gives his findings concerning Taylor. Now is a good time for JCH to visit: 'Your Wordsworth [William Wordsworth] is here at present on a visit to his brother'. By all accounts 'he is very much like other people - which, in spite of your doctrine that such matters are always exactly as they ought to be, I maintain to be a most unaccountable phenomenon, and an absurd want of violation of common rules'. . 1 doc. |
29 Nov 1820 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Could JCH tell WW when a person needs to be in London to attend the next term at the Middle Temple and also at Lincoln's Inn. He needs the information for a friend in Paris. Could JCH also purchase for him a ticket to see Catalavir sing. WW is sorry JCH does not enjoy studying law: 'I hope you will soon have an opportunity of ...infusing good principles of taste and scholarship and if you like to call it so of philosophy, into the rising generations of academic youth' [JCH is offered and accepts the job of classical lecturer at Trinity College]. JCH should 'leave poor Locke [John Locke] at your mercy who however little deserves your abuse because he has done only what he and all other reasonable metaphysicians pretend only to do - namely give an account of the operations of his own mind and analyse them to thier elements'. . 1 doc. |
12 May 1822 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is pleased JCH has accepted the job of classical lecturer at Trinity College. The Master intends to make tuition 'stricter and what he considers a more paternal superintendence than has prevailed of late'. The Cambridge fever has returned: 'Some Johnians have died though none of them in Cambridge'. . 1 doc. |
17 Jul 1822 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Could JCH send WW his mail. He gives details of his recent tour of Continental ecclesiastical establishments and buildings. 1 doc. |
15 Jul 1823 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is to be a candidate for the office of Professor of Mineralogy in consequence of John S. Henslow's resignation (appointed Regius Professor of Botany). WW is optimistic that he will be appointed. Could JCH help WW with some inquiries respecting the history of the Botanical Professorship.WW is to change his travelling plans for the summer: 'I shall go to Freyberg and Berlin except I can hear of some better school of German mineralogy. We will improve our science from that quarter as well as your literature'. 1 doc. |
24 Jun 1825 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW will not be able to return to Cambridge for the elections due to his ongoing experiment in Cornwall [with George Airy] to measure the density of the earth: 'So pray if you have an opportunity represent to the electioneering people how much more important it is that they should know the weight of the earth, on which all parties tread, than that the weight of Lord P.'s [Lord Palmerston] party should be increased by the addition of unit me' ['Account of Experiments made at Dolcoath Mine in Cornwall', 1828]. WW and GA are underground between 8 to 11 hours and seldom dine before 11 or 12 at night. Could JCH assist him with unfinished tutorial business (applications and accounts) while he is away. 1 doc. |
04 Jun 1826 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW has just written a letter to JCH concerning the importance of his experiment to measure the density of the earth and therefore his inability to return for the forthcoming elections at Cambridge [see WW to JCH, 4 June 1826]. If JCH is not going to Cambridge he should get somebody else to open the letter he addressed to him and deal with the contents. WW and George Airy 'are working hard and getting on as well as the nature of our trade allows which is to carry 7 chronometers up and down 1200 feet of vertical ladders every day, and to watch the dangling of a brass bar with a brass bob at the end of it'. 1 doc. |
04 Jun 1826 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW and George Airy are coming to the end of their experiment to measure the density of the earth ['Account of Experiments made at Dolcoath Mine in Cornwall', 1828]. They will be back in about a weeks time. If JCH thinks it is urgent for WW to return sooner he may be able to manage it. 'The earth is rather perverse but I believe the center to be molten lead'. . 1 doc. |
22 Jun 1826 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. George Airy wants an additional 20 copies of a paper of his being printed at the University Press: 'This number of 20 copies he wishes to have sent to France for which purpose I want you to send them to Herschel [John Herschel] who is going thither'. WW has been to view the Thames Tunnel with George Peacock and Thomas Worsley. 1 doc. |
19 Aug 1826 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Could JCH check WW's bank balance and if it is adequate give the two drafts attached to this letter of �100 to John Claydon. WW wants JCH to research a query of Richard Jones's concerning the type of labourer who used to farm ancient Greence. . 1 doc. |
28 Aug 1826 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Could JCH come a day earlier so that he can dine with WW and Lady Marshall. WW's freahmen are already arriving. Details concerning the cataloging of JCH's library. 1 doc. |
14 Oct 1826 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Woodhouse [Robert Woodhouse] was as decided about giving Turner [Thomas Turner, 2nd Wrangler and 1st Smith's prizeman, 1827] the first Smith's prize as George Airy was. WW is working at his sermons . 1 doc. |
28 Jan 1827 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. JCH's letter was a great comfort since WW was very concerned about Lady Malcolm. WW was not impressed with his sermon and was glad JCH missed it. 1 doc. |
04 May 1827 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW sends JCH's letters. He thought it wisest to stay away from London to enable him to concentrate on his forthcoming sermon. 1 doc. |
25 Apr 1827 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Could JCH send WW his letters to the Athenaeum Club. An update on WW's possible plans to go to Germany. Richard Jones 'holds that the story of Wordsworth and his daughter is certainly true in the essential points'. . 1 doc. |
06 Aug 1827 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is still in England: 'My aspirations after the Rhine and Germany are not strong enough to set me going by myself'. Lady Malcolm came to town on Monday. She will be at Hyde Hall and probably send for JCH to help her catalogue the library. 1 doc. |
15 Aug 1827 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Connop Thirlwall has not come. WW grieves 'unceasingly about H.H. but to what purpose?'. 1 doc. |
30 Jan 1828 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW and Lady Malcolm will see JCH at Chesterford tomorrow. Lady Malcolm intends to breakfast the following day at Cambidge. 1 doc. |
1 May 1828 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Details concerning Lady Malcolm's continental tour. Could JCH forward WW's mail. 1 doc. |
07 Jul 1828 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. The Rev. G. Kent wants John Brown to give him a reference for a position at a pubic school in Truro. WW has supplied the relevant information to Brown except Kent's address (enclosed). Can JCH get from Mr Edward a 'cutting of myself' - WW needs one to send to his sister [Ann Whewell]. He would also like one of Adam Sedgwick to send to Lady Malcolm. WW and Lady Malcolm parted yesterday: 'I can by no means persuade myself that she and I parted yesterday for years'. He did not get to see the children but he did see a 'representation of them' by Mrs Robinson - 'I was not satisfied'. 1 doc. |
08 Jul 1828 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW can only find 3 misprints. Could JHC send him his mail. Who is coming to Oxford from Cambridge over the next ten days? [BAAS meeting]. 1 doc. |
17 Jun 1832 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW has written to the Master to say that he wishes to resign his college proctorship in favour of JCH. The Master 'is of opinion that I cannot afterwards be reelected. I suppose this is the most convenient footing to put the matter upon'. 1 doc. |
09 Jun 1832 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is meeting two Frenchmen tomorrow one of whom JCH would probably like. His name is Rio and he is a friend of the Malcolms who are enchanted by him. He is a philosopher of the school of [Bunald?], an intimate friend of de Maistre and of Schelling. WW is amused by the reason for his trip to England: 'he holds that the Celts are the only sound part of the French population - the only part which has any religion or any social vitality. From the French Celts the regeneration of France must come if it come at all. But the French Celts are poor, and have been oppressed, and have let some of their Celtic spirit and culture slip away from them. This is to be restored by a reinfusion of Celtic poetry and history. So M. Rio is come to cultivate the Welsh'. Connop Thirlwall's 'lectures are admirable and the men take to them with great earnestness'. 1 doc. |
17 Feb 1832 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW gives his opinion of possible tutors. He is having trouble settling into his new abode - JCH's old rooms. The fact 'there is no longer a Hyde Hall [the old home of the Malcolms] within reach is enough of itself to make it very doubtful whether the future can be as happy as the past'. WW is concerned that as more and more of his old friends - especially 'you and Worsley [Thomas Worsley] and Rose [Hugh Rose]' - leave the college he is becoming faster fixed. WW must see John Herschel before he departs to the Cape of Good Hope: 'I cannot look at so long an absence of a man whom I admire and love so much, without dear regret'. 1 doc. |
22 Sep 1833 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Adam Sedgwick's Commemoration Day sermon was 'as I think you know, a beautiful and profound dissertation as he delivered it; and having been rethought and rewritten since it is much more beautiful and coherent; and along with certain notes which he has appended to it, it forms an essay upon philosophy, morals, and academical education which it will delight you to read' ['A Discourse on the Studies of the University', 1833]. George Peacock preached 'a sort of political essay in the duty of regulating our views and feelings in accordance with the new and reformed state of things, which though by no means devoid of cleverness and dignity sounded rather like an article in the Morning Post than a sermon'. Something much better was given by the Trinity student Birks [Thomas R. Birks, 2nd Wrangler 1834] who gave a dissertation on the subject ''that there is a moral truth which in its own way is as certain as mathematical truth' such as I really do not know any other person who could have written - the philosophy was most profound and consistent, and the views of the nature of morality of the fine and elevated kind which I hope we shall always hear from our best men here...His images often reminded me of Bacon's; - a might flash of ornament with a clear thread of poignent analogy sparkling through it'. WW is to concentrate on his own philosophy 'such as shall really give a right and wholesome turn to men's minds'. 1 doc. |
25 Dec 1833 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW has 'been dining with the Bishop of London of whom you talk so ireverently. In defence of my reference to him I have this to say: that my principal object in the passage you refer to was to present to peoples minds a view in which they might rest, with no disquisitive from fear of dangerous error, and wish something like a primitive idea in a case when human nature craves it'. WW thought that in 'such a case the opinion of a man of good practical understanding, which Blomfield [Charles J. Blomfield] is, though no metaphysician, and of a bishop to boot, was very much suited to my purpose'. John M. Kemble is to lecture on Anglo-Saxon next term: 'It appears to be likely that he will be well attended, and one might if once chose make it an occasion of reviving the Philological Society'. 1 doc. |
04 Jan 1834 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. JCH is lucky that he left Trinity College 'before the evil days arrived'. For instance Connop Thirlwall's pamphlet on the Dissenters admission ['A Letter to the Rev. Thomas Turton, on the Admission of Dissenters to Academical Degrees', 1834] followed by the Master's [Christopher Wordsworth] harsh reaction: 'The pamphlet was I think sure to do great mischief, and the master has requested him to resign'. WW remonstrated in vein against the Master's decision. JCH will find WW's view on Thirlwall's work in the pamphlet he has enclosed ['Remarks on Some Parts of Mr Thirlwal's Letter on the Admission of Dissenters to Academical Degree', 1834]: 'I fear that this is but the beginning of troubles - you know the whigs are a very bitter set'. . 1 doc. |
28 May 1834 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW sends R. W. Evans's [Tutor of Trinity College] printed reply to Connop Thirlwall's critique ['A Letter to the Rev. Thomas Turton, on the Admission of Dissenters to Academical Degrees', 1834]: 'I hold that it has little bearing on the question of the admission of Dissenters'. Evans's lectures were not an imperative issue in the controversy but it will show JCH 'how it may happen that Evans feels very bitterly about what Thirlwall has said'. WW is pleased JCH agrees with most of his reply to Thirlwall ['Remarks on Some Parts of Mr Thirlwal's Letter on the Admission of Dissenters to Academical Degree', 1834]. As to WW 'making an analogy between religion and knowledge I should not have done it, if I had not known that a dislike of compulsory chapel and compulsory lectures go together in the minds of some of our lecturrs here - and being firmly persuaded that such opinions are as destructive of church and college as they are of chapel and lecture room I took the opportunity to say so'. WW did not think Thirlwall's printed reply to him 'very judicious for who can be 'private, reserved, and full in answer to a printed circular from an intimate friend beginning 'gentlemen'?' The seniority met to discuss the issue: 5 persons were in favour of Thirlwall (Adam Sedgwick, Thomas Musgrave, Joseph Romilly, Richard Sheepshanks and George Peacock). . 1 doc. |
04 Jul 1834 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW sends JCH his second pamphlet on the Connop Thirlwall controversy ['Additional Remarks on...Mr Thirlwall', 1834. For the contorversy see WW to JCH, 28 May 1834]: 'You will see that I have ventured a little further into politics than I did before'. WW would like to send him two Cambridge newspapers which contain another branch of the controversy between Sedgwick [Adam Sedgwick] and Selwyn [William Selwyn]: 'I fear you will think that Sedgwick has been rather overbearing'. In Thirwall's second letter ['A Second Letter to the Rev. T. Turton Containing a Vindication of Some Passages in a Former Letter on the Admission of Dissenters to Academical Degrees', 1834] he says of WW 'that I am a friend who has spoken in the tone and language of friendship'. 1 doc. |
02 Jun 1834 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW would have willingly stayed in London 'a couple of days longer, even in the heat of July, Pall Mall, and politics, if I had known that there was a prospect of seeing any of them' [Lady Malcolm and family]. WW is to go northwards with the hope of seeing William Wordsworth, hills, lakes and locks. Has JCH heard anything of Thirlwall?: 'I wish often that you were here again, for inspite of the absence of all ill will, on all sides, I feel as if there might be some difficulty in moving the footing in which we formerly were; and many of our friends are now so engaged in politics, and so far thrown off their balance by controversy' that he can no longer depend upon them. 1 doc. |
17 Jul 1834 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is relieved that JCH has successfully settled into his parish duties. WW hopes his friendship with Connop Thirlwall has not diminished. However there were two passages in WW's second letter which vexed Thirlwall ['Additional Remarks on...Mr Thirlwall', 1834. For the contorversy see WW to JCH, 28 May 1834]: I found a long and very keen though sorrowful remonstrance respecting what I had said'. WW explained to Thirlwall that his difficulties came not from his opinions, but from the impropriety of his expressing them while holding his official situation; and with this he appeared somewhat more satisfied'. WW is upset by the disunity among the Trinity establishment: 'I am much struck and grieved with the bitter feeling all our whigs (I use the word for distinctness only) bear to the Master; which indeed goes so far that it is not only unfit for members of the same houshold, but altogether illiberal and unchristian'. JCH's scheme for a Coleridge prize is unsuitable: 'A subject so vast, so important, and so unsettled as the philsophy of Christianity should not be tossed over to a few ardent and very likely, fearless young men, to make their theories on for the sake of a prize'. The 'next step which our public can take in abstract speculation must depend on the steps they have taken already. The meanings which words and modes of expression have acquired, the convictions and generalisations which it is possible to call up in men's minds must depend on the past progress of literature and speculation among them; and truth is not truth if you alter the discipline which this progress exercises. Coleridge appears to me to assume and require, for the undestanding of his religious speculations an intellectual dicipline different from that which the English have hitherto had; Schleiermacher [Friedrich Schleiermacher] and the best of th Germans undoubtedly do so. I conceive therefore that the truths which may be found in the writings of these men must be taken up in the mind of some genuine Englishman and given out in a suitable form, before they will take a national hold upon us'. If JCH can do this he will be 'an immense benefactor to England'. WW 'had the pleasure of seeing Coleridge a few months before his death...He talked wonderfully well; among other things expressed the deepest sorrow at thirlwall's letters. I spent a day with Wordsworth with great satisfaction; sailing on Windemere and wandering on its banks all day with him'. . 1 doc. |
19 Oct 1834 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. The Coleridge prize as JCH presented it in his last letter is more plausible [see WW to JCH, 19 October 1834]: 'I would not at once look slightingly at such a project; for the mere name of Coleridge would to a certain extent tinge the speculations of the writers, and the establishment of the thing with its name would bring him more to the notice of our divines, young and old, as a religious philosopher and certainly they could not acquire this knowledge of him without great benefit to themselves'. He thinks the phrase 'the philsophy of christianity' would in the long run be inappropriate. Further 'it might not be best to follow your suggestion and make it a prize for metaphysical dissertations in speculative subjects generally, or with only a recommendation that they should by preference be such as illustrate the history of christianity and connexion of the christian scheme with man's place and nature borrowed from other sources'. . 1 doc. |
27 Oct 1834 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Since WW is so near JCH he will try to visit him. He has hust had the pleasure of a visit from Digby [Henry Kenelm Digby]: 'He is looking well and very reasonably happy, and speaks with hope of the progress of religion in France'. 1 doc. |
05 Jan 1835 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW will not be able to visit JCH. Richard Jones is a candidate to succeed Thomas Malthus at Hayleybury: 'I hope he will prosper both for his sake and for that of the institution, for his classifications of the forms and attributes of the various national systems of Europe and Asia is the proper instruction for those who go from us to manage India'. 1 doc. |
15 Jan 1835 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. The Vice-Chancellor has informed WW that they are not disposed favourably toward JCH's scheme [the Coleridge prize, see WW to JCH, 27 October 1834]: 'the objection is not to any accidental and extraneous part of the scheme, but to the name of Coleridge'. His name is still associated with his earlier reputation than with 'the christian philosophy which he has impressed upon so many in his riper years'. Richard Jones has been appointed the new Professor of Political Economy at Hayleybury. However with the uncertain future of the College the position may not last long. 1 doc. |
13 Feb 1835 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW will be making his way to JCH next wednesday. . 1 doc. |
13 Jun 1835 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Perry [Charles Perry] has observed 'with great pain and grief the destitute state of Barnwell as to religious instruction; but with more courage and heart than others, he has set about trying to remedy it'. He wants to build a church: 'I think the spirit in which he has set about his task, as well as the object itself will induce you to do for him what you can'. WW is 'especially puzzled about my title - 'A History of the Inductive Sciences' - that is too indefinite. 'A History of the Inductive Sciences' - that implies 'all the' and is too presumptuous - 'A History of the Principal Inductive Sciences' - that is too narrow for though I do not wish to say so I have taken all which are, properly speaking, at present Inductive Sciences. I am mightily embarassed with this dilemma' ['The History of the Inductive Sciences, form the Earliest to the Present Time', 3 vols., 1837]. Scholefield [James Scholefield] has vacated the Greek professorship and WW expects Connop Thirlwall to be a candidate. 1 doc. |
26 Dec 1836 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW sometimes thinks his 'Reforming Philosophy' is a hard taskmistress: 'she carries me to regions where I can hardly expect my contemporary friends to follow me - at least for a long time'. WW's task seems to him clear: 'the sermons are a small part of it, though it must I fear, be years before I can bring the connection into view' ['On the Foundation of Morals: Four Sermons Preached before the University of Cambridge', 1837]. WW tries to add clarity to his comments on conscience. 1 doc. |
07 Jan 1838 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is looking forward to JCH's visit to preach at Cambridge. He is to publish his Philosophy of Science before he makes morals his main object ['The Philosophy of the Inductive Sciences, founded upon their History', 2 vols., 1840]. WW is pleased to see tendencies on all sides to reform the prevalent systems of morals: 'The article in the London Review is an indication of this, and appears to me to be in many important points right, and at any rate right in the rigorous rejection of Bentham's doctrines and keen criticism of his character'. WW 'cannot understand how Striling who I suppose is a conservative, can write in a journal of professed political objects, these being, to destroy the church and democratize the nation' [Westminster Review]. If Bunsen [Christian Bunsen] is in England JCH will no doubt see him: 'pray send him down to us here, for we want to make acquaintance with him'. 1 doc. |
15 Oct 1838 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is pleased John Mill is such a man as JCH describes and defends: 'I have no disinclination to believe his good qualities. My quarrel is with the Westminster review'. WW believes this journal to be destructive and outrageous. John Mill does not write with his name but rather as a London Westminster Reviewer: 'If John Mill be a Coleridgian or a Conservative in any intelligible sense he must be the most infatuated of men to imagine that he can do any good by promulgating his opinions under such auspices. If he think his views of morals consistent with the objects of the review, I should like to see the connexion made out with any reasonable logic'. 1 doc. |
30 Oct 1838 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW would be grateful if JCH would look over the enclosed sheet. His etymological sheets will soon be ready for JCH's critical eye. WW hopes to visit JCH soon. 1 doc. |
5 May 1840 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW borrowed JCH's cloak and has sent it back. WW gives some architectural advice regarding JCH's church. 1 doc. |
1 Jun 1840 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW will be happy to recieve JCH's architectual designs and offer advice: 'I shall like much to see your church when it has undergone its reformation'. WW rejoices that JCH has Carlyle [Thomas Carlyle] with him. Although WW likes Carlyle he finds it provoking that he is 'listened too with reverence as a preacher when he has every thing to learn on the subjects which he handles'. 1 doc. |
22 Sep 1840 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW does not think JCH's architectural plan for a new chapel gives 'any great promise of architectural grace'. WW describes why and what JCH should do instead: 'It would be well if you could find any building in your neighbourhood which is in the style and of the kind of yours, for it is scarcely possible to avoid anomalies in details without such authority'. . 1 doc. |
27 Sep 1840 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is pleased JCH found his advice on architectural matters useful [see WW to JCH, 27 September 1840]. He cannot yet give any authority on the projection of JCH's roofing. At Cambridge there is the imminent prospect of elections to the Chancellorship and High Stewardship: 'For the latter, the University looks to Trinity for a candidate. The younger men have set their hearts upon Lord Lyttelton, and I shall vote for him if he is proposed: but I think the wish of the University is for some older man; for instance Lord Northampton. The alternative is a Tory candidate - Lord Lyndhurst or Lord Canterbury'. WW would not be pleased if Lord Lyndhurst represented them. 1 doc. |
13 Oct 1840 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW's last letter concerning the forthcoming election at Cambridge [see WW to JCH, 24 October 1840] 'was answering my own thoughts, not anything you had said, when I talked about that view of the subject' [the forthcoming election for High Stewardship]. WW 'cannot persuade myself that I have much power in gaining other people to my way of thinking in the matter of this election, nor can I act as if I did'. 1 doc. |
28 Oct 1840 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. It gives WW 'great pleasure that among a number of our young supporters there is really a desire to establish a better and sounder standard of conservative principal than is implied by accepting Lyndhurst [Candidate for the office of High Steward of the University: see WW to JCH, 28 October 1840]. Lord Lyttelton is too young to represent and give expression to this yearning. JCH says 'that the Oxford men have come forwards more strenuously than we have in this attempt to purify and elevate the current principles of action. True: but they have come forward before they know what they have to say; and have promulgaed doctrines so hasty and exaggerated, and in many instances so untenable and irrational as to be very unworthy of university men. Is it not better to wait till we can be consistent with ourselves? You think perhaps I talk too much like a system-manager; - be it so'. . 1 doc. |
05 Nov 1840 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW has recieved JCH's published Charge: 'I should perhaps differ with you on one or two points...But almost every page contains opinions which I am rejoiced to have exprest'. WW is 'especially pleased with your note about the terms of union with the National Society'. WW wants JCH's advice as to whether he should take a college living or become a country clergyman (Masham has become vacant on Waddington's appointment to the Deanery of Durham). WW believes his 'task in college is well-nigh ended'. He has tried to improve the mathematical studies, written his History and Philosophy of Science, introduced the philosophy into the Fellowship examination. Further his friends depart or become distant through change of habits and he does not like the idea of growing old in college: 'The examples we have seen, and see, of such a close of life are not such as we should wish to follow'. Neither does he wish to end up Vice-Master and be confined to hall. However is he 'fit to take a cure of souls?' since he wants to continue with his literary occupations and pave the way for an improved system of Ethics: 'Am I not too averse to business? too unsympathizing with common people?'. He has seen JCH give up much of his his literary labours and does not want to do the same: 'If I can do anything, it is that I can systematize portions of knowledge which the consent of opinions has brought into readiness for such a process. I think I can do this in some important branches of morals, perhaps of other subjects. I cannot give up the design'. 1 doc. |
15 Dec 1840 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Thanks JCH for his letter concerning WW's dilemna [WW is unsure whether to take a college living or become a country clergyman, see WW to JCH, 15 December 1840]: 'I shall have to think about it a good deal longer before I have done with it'. WW has not got JCH's sermon with him, but if WW differed with it in his last letter 'it must have been rather a remnant of my disputationess, which you know of, than any serious difference of thinking' [see WW to JCH, 15 December 1840]. Although he doubts whether JCH 'could establish a tenable distinction between maxims and principles'. WW questions whether there could be 'any solid ground for a moral decision in talking of matters of principle' until we had established a system of principles. Whereas he sees no reason to limit maxims and gives the following example: 'the Governors of a state are not to acknowlege that they act from fear of those who threaten to violate the laws - and on this ground I condemn the D. of W.'s [Duke of Wellington] manner of passing the catholic relief Bill - for I with you do not pretend to decide the rightness of the measure itself by means of such maxims'. WW is to visit Rev. Waddington in his parish of Masham to discuss further WW's suitabiltiy in succeeding him. 1 doc. |
26 Dec 1840 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Lady Campbell (Olympia Malcolm's sister) has died: 'Lady M. [Malcolm] was at first overwhelmed with agony'. 1 doc. |
14 Feb 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Further to the death of Lady Campbell [see WW to JCH, 14 February 1841]: 'Lady Malcolm has been overwhelmed; but was beginning to rise from her bed when I was in town a week ago'. WW has decided not to become a country clergyman in Masham: 'I still have something to do in the University'. WW thinks he now sees his way 'with tolerable clearness to the construction of my system of Morality'. 1 doc. |
26 Feb 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW sends JCH two of his lectures on moral philosophy. Digby [Kenelm H Digby] has been in Cambridge and since returned to Bath: 'He has been painting a St Michael like the one he painted for you on a much larger scale, and applied to me to know what is the real order of the colours of the rainbow in nature. You think perhaps that this was in order that he might make his mystical rainbow unlike a real rainbow. But not so. He was ready to condescend to the actual. See how age tames a man's spirits!'. 1 doc. |
05 Mar 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW's advice concerning the colours to be used to decorate JCH's restored church. WW was at John Herschel's a fortnight ago for the christening of their child (WW was made Godfather). . 1 doc. |
26 May 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW now thinks of his future 'with unmingled hope and comfort, and of Cordelia [Cordelia Whewell] as my good angel'. WW has to attend 'this great ugly meeting at Plymouth' [BAAS] and then examine for the Trinity Fellowships. After this he hopes they shall 'take up our abode at a house which one of Cordelia's brothers has upon Coniston Lake. Do you think it will be desirable to found a school of Lake philosophy as well as of Lake poetry?' WW needs some advice concerning his Moral Philosophy. He thinks he may be lookiing at a certain problem too systematically and technically, and wants JCH to have a guess at the truth of his subject: 'when crimes are committed in consequence of habitual vices, how is the guilt to be assigned respectively to the habit and to the act? Is the habit a palliation or an aggravation of the crime? Is the condemnation of the moralist to fall, for instance, upon the vice of covetousness or upon acts of dishonesty? Is covetousness which never breaks out in dishonesty, or dishonesty which arises only from a transient covetousness, the more immoral? or, if it be not the best way to talk about 'more immoral', what is the way?'. 1 doc. |
25 Jul 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. JCH has probably heard that the mastership of Trinity is vacant by the resignation of Christopher Wordsworth: 'I do not know whether you think me a fit person to succeed him; but so many of my friends expect the office to be offered me'. If WW had time he would tell JCH 'how rightly you judge, in my opinion, when you deem Cordelia such a wife as my moral being required. I may venture to say that that was one main consideration in my choice'. 1 doc. |
16 Oct 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Robert Peel has offered WW the succession to the mastership of Trinity College: 'I have accepted it: I trust in God, not rashly'. JCH's 'friendly words have more power than those of any other person to calm and strengthen me'. WW will be wanting JCH's advise on ecclesiastical education: 'There are very great difficulties in the way of dealing with the subject'. WW would like JCH to put down his notions of what a course of study for the students of Divinity would include. 1 doc. |
19 Oct 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW appreciated JCH's kind and encouraging words with regard to his appointment as Master of Trinity College. The 'influence of the lakes and mountains have done something I think to tranquillize and strengthen me and prepare me for active life'. WW does not think JCH comprehended his 'perplexity about the imputation of guilt' [see WW to JCH, 25 July 1841]. It is our duty to conform our whole character to the Divine rule: 'If we do not do this, we offend; and any special acts of sin only betray this want of perfect discipline in our character. Hence though we may commit special sins, the real offence resides in that ommission of self discipline which makes it possible for us so to sin. How then can special sins have each their special guilt; since they have none except what is included in the original guilt of neglecting the means of proving ourselves to perfection? I believe this is still not clear'. WW has some views which may act upon the two evils at college JCH speaks of - 'too much emulation and too much private tuition - but both are extremely difficult subjects'. If JCH has any books he feels should enter a clerical education let him know. When JCH speaks of bringing 'the University to take a more active part in the great movement now going on in the church', does he mean the extension of churches or discussions respecting doctrine? . 1 doc. |
30 Oct 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW would really like JCH to come and stay at the Lodge. The Senate have voted for a Syndicate for Theological Education and WW is a member: 'The foundation of our scheme, as I understand, is to be this; that the time of taking the usual Degrees, and the existing Examinations for Honours are not to be disrurbed. I suppose that what we must establish is an examination for proficiency in theological studies at some period of the career after the Degree - something like the Classical Tripos'. WW would like JCH's advise on the necessary books for examination in this subject: 'Of course we want both history, interpretation of scripture and doctrine'. 1 doc. |
01 Dec 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW had a Syndicate meeting today [Syndicate for Theological Education, see WW to JCH, 1 December 1841]: 'I agree with you entirely in repudiating emulation as the sole spring of action in our education. I should be very glad to reduce it within narrow limits in our system, but that I fear cannot now be done, at least not speedily. With regard to theological education, however, I do not think we need admit it to any material extent. I am afraid we cannot work any other way than by examination, at least not to the present satisfaction of the University'. The examination need only be for passing and not for honours. WW has proposed adding the Epistles in the New Testament and a limited portion of Church History to the imperative subjects for degrees. WW thinks 'our laymen want a religious education as much as our clergy. Perhaps both measures may be carried'. He is 'somewhat disposed to tell the bishops that if they want to have our system more efficacious, they must acquaint themselves with the courses of theological instruction given by those professors whose subjects bear upon divinity, and regulate a portion of their examinations for ordination by these courses. This would make our lectures of more importance'. WW does not see what more can be done than insisting on formalities.Since examinations take up all the students time a permanent interest in Divinity will only occur if they are connected to the examinations untill you can get the influence of exams weakened. WW thinks the books of Maurice [Frederick D. Maurice] - especially 'Kingdom of Christ' (once systematised) - may be made to produce a considerable effect in Cambridge. WW has 'something in my own power as examiner for fellowships. I have already used my influence to introduce an Anti-Lockian philosophy, and intend to use it for other good purposes'. WW claims 'on etymological grounds as well as others mine is the genuine education. Your poetical or critical man you educate by educing his reasoning power through the discipline of mathematics. The faculty is in him and you draw it out. His poetry or his criticism he gives you spontaneously, you do not need to educe that; it is an effusion. And in like manner the spontaneous mathematician is educated by educing his imaginative and philological faculties'. Without this you would have a mere mathematician and not an educted man. 1 doc. |
08 Dec 1841 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW was grieved to hear of JCH's sorrow. He does not know if he can help find him a Master for his school. The report from the Syndicate for Classical Education has not yet been finalised: 'At present we are, I think, likely to recommend mainly an improvement in the examination for B.A. degree'. They would introduce amongst other things an epistle, History of the Church and the History of the Reformation in England: 'I think this will be a great improvement in our general education, and nearly all that we can usefully do in clerical education'. WW is lecturing on morals and hopes to make his lectures into a system of morality. WW talks a great deal with Worsley [Thomas Worsley] about his plans for morality: 'we often agree that your one fault is that you do not care enough for systems. But this is all that it should be. We, cloistered theorists, are wedded to speculative truth, and you a faithful minister and zealous archdeacon look more to practical matters'. With regard to the principalship of King's College, WW would be happy to help Maurice [Frederick D. Maurice] get the position. 1 doc. |
19 Feb 1842 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is pleased JCH is 'so tender at being reproached with want of love of system; for I feared that you considered the making of systems to be a dangerous employment; - at least in any one since Coleridge'. For WW 'we want systems, true systems - made with all sobriety and impregnable to disbelief - and so, armed against your Greek line - I believe we want such systems more than anything else; because at the root of all improved national life must be a steady conviction of the reason, and the reason cannot acquiesce in what is not coherent, that is, systematic'. Both WW and Thomas Worsley reach close coincidences by approaching the subject of morality in different ways. TW enters on the 'a priori road, through the views of religious teaching, and I, advancing to it on the other side, from psychlogy through jurisdprudence'. . 1 doc. |
13 Mar 1842 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. The workmen have left the Lodge and WW hopes JCH will come and be a guest in it. As Vice-Chancellor WW is petitioning for the preservation of the Welsh sees. 1 doc. |
04 Mar 1843 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW congratulates JCH on winning a libel brought against him: 'I wish to see the Brighton newspaper which you promise to send me'. WW dismisses the rumours JCH has heard claiming that as Vice-Chancellor WW's 'natural vehemence of charactor' had got worse: 'I have tried to suppress pigeon-shooting in the outskirts of the town, uproar in the Senate house galleries, and dinners at taverns and of course this makes detractors and railers'. WW 'has not been neglectful of the object you speak of - diminishing the influence of private tutors. To-day I brought in a Grace with that view: it is non-placeted. I am still going to try to travel towards the same object. I think you expect things inconsistent if you would have me attempt objects so difficult, complex, unpopular, as what you speak of, and still would have me spoken of by no one as eager and self-willed. I have had the people in the newspapers writing against my measures, and the Johnians have thrown it out for the present'. 1 doc. |
31 Mar 1843 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. JCH is 'a most resolute monitor, for you repeat your admonitions without any regard to the answer which is made to them, or any information as to details' [see WW to JCH, 31 March 1843]. WW challenges the characteristics of the three men JCH sent to assail WW's position: 'Wilberforce certainly did incur, from a very large body of persons, a most vehment charge of self-will'. Bishop Otter needed a little more self-will. The letter WW received from Connop Thirlwall 'was a most earnest condemnation of the suppression of one Welsh bishopric...I never dreamt that you could doubt on which side he was'. WW does not think JCH will find John S. Mill's 'Logic' will repay his study well: 'He is far removed from his former opinions, but equally positive in every phase of change'. 1 doc. |
12 Apr 1843 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is sure Blakesley [Joseph W. Blakesley] 'will be much obliged to you for thinking of him in the matter of Tunbridge school'. WW recollects 'something of your story of the school; and I also happen to have read your master's essays, for they were in our school library. Once or twice since a feeling of wonder has caught my mind, how it came that a book so silly and worthless was so widely diffused. The ignorant abuse of universities and several other things circulated even in Tory regions; and I supposed belonged to those secure times which elapsed before reformers began; when folks thought they might balance their indiscriminate practical conservativism with indiscriminate theoretical condemnation. We cannot do such things now, and it is well that we cannot'. 1 doc. |
30 Jul 1843 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is reading JCH's sermon and is 'much reminded of the structure of some of Schleiermacher's [Friedrich Schleiermacher] sermons which I had read long ago'. Blakesley is desirous of the situation at Tonbridge school [see WW to JCH, 30 July 1843]. Mill [William H. Mill] 'will probably also be thought of; and of his great merits there can be no doubt - nor of some dangers which would attend his appointment to the office'. News regarding posts within Trinity College. 1 doc. |
10 Nov 1843 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Does JCH know where Bunsen [Charles Christian Bunsen] is?: 'I thought he might like to fulfil his long talked of design of seeing Cambridge in term time'. WW has been reading Sterling's [John Sterling] Strafford which as JCH probably knows has a great deal of skill and considerable dramatic power: 'What I most miss in it is an English tone. The philosophy religion and polity, are not at all those of the time; nor those of English statesmen and lawyers at any time. He has omitted, too, any of the most animated turns in Straffords accusation and trial'. JCH was right in supposing it was the structure and not the style of his sermon which reminded him of Schleiermacher [Friedrich Schleiermacher, see WW to JCH, 10 November 1843]. 1 doc. |
29 Nov 1843 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Why can't WW get an answer from Bunsen? [Charles Christian Bunsen]. WW has been looking at some of the accounts of Strafford and his trial, and am rather scandalized at the violent inquisition which Sterling [John Sterling] has done him' . It is utterly at variance with history. . 1 doc. |
06 Dec 1843 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW would like JCH's judgement on a matter concerning the son of Lord Monteagle. He has taken his degree and intends to take orders but is only 21. He needs advice on the best way to prepare for ministerial office during the next two years. Should he go to theological college or attach himself to some clergyman as a sort pf lay curate? WW is giving his 5th course of lectures on morals to a considerable audience. Unfortunately Henry Taylor's life of Southey wil be delayed due to his ill health. WW does not envy Taylor's task of ploughing throgh Southey's considerable archive of letters: 'Taylor appears from the book to be a man of more ability than I was aware of'. WW still has 'a hankering after etymology. Do you not think that when you and I grow old and are released from the heavier business of life we might re-establish the Etymological Society and work out some of our old plans? I do not see that the Philological Society is likely to supercede our labours'. 1 doc. |
14 Feb 1844 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW thanks JCH for the thought he has given WW's question and feels better able to discuss the matter with Aubrey Spring Rice. WW and forty Masters of Arts are taking singing lessons at the Lodge. Many of them want to be able to direct the teaching of singing in their parishes which they have or hope to have. WW finds that Taylor's Synonyms is going to be reprinted: 'There is much to disapprove of in the man...but he did something for the knowledge of German in England and might have done something for literature, if he had not been all extended on periodical review writing'. Has JCH got copies of the translations of Goethe's Hexameter Epistles which he inserted in the Athenaeum many years ago? WW would like to see them again. 1 doc. |
22 Feb 1844 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW returns JCH's hexameters and pentameters. He gives an example from JCH's work highlighting a typical mistake made by all those who write hexameters from German. 'I believe the chance of making hexameters in England liked by the general body of readers to the same extent as they are in Germany, depends very much upon a poem of considerable bulk, attractive in its subject and treatment, being written in them. As Southey [Robert Southey] says, if you could march a body of 10000 or 20000 hexametres into the country you might succeed, but your detailments of a few at a time are cut off as fast as they appear'. John Herschel has distributed among his friends an excellent translation of Schiller's [Friedrich Schiller] 'Walk'. WW is surprised that the Etymological Society have not yet included Bunsen [Christian C. J. Bunsen] among their numbers: 'They do not appear to me as yet - judging from their proceedings which they print and send me - to have made any great way in the philosophy of languages or in the knowledge of what has been done'. . 1 doc. |
07 Mar 1844 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is sorry that he just missed JCH in London: 'Can you not come down to us here for a day or so?'. 1 doc. |
20 Jun 1844 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Presumably JCH will soon be travelling to William Wordsworth's neighbourhood: 'I want especially to request you to lose no time in making the aquaintance of Frederic Myers my brother in law. He is married to Mrs Whewell's sister Susan and lives at Keswick, the minister of a church which the Marshall's have built there. He is a thoroughly excellent person, a worthy friend of Wordsworth and Arnold [Matthew Arnold]. He has written a book about the church, of which the spirit is admirable, and of which I think you would like the views, as they are very nearly those of Arnold'. WW was as delighted with the Life of Arnold as JCH was. 1 doc. |
05 Jul 1844 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW hopes JCH retains his plan of visiting Cambridge. WW will be there in May afer the first week of the month. 'Worsley [Thomas Worsley] is preaching us sermons full of pretty and pias thoughts: but I think he fails in making his audience understand in what manner they are connected in his mind. I tell him that he must show us, not the pearls only, but the thread on which they are strung'. . 1 doc. |
24 Mar 1845 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is going to send JCH a piece of metaphysics which he has just printed containing his answer to John S. Mill's book: 'But the paper could have been written all the same if his book had not appeared, so that you are not to look upon it as a polemical production'. 1 doc. |
03 May 1845 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW and Cordelia Whewell will very likely be passing JCH's way and would like to see him if they do. WW is to meet the Archeological Association on the 9th of September. WW is writing a little book about the Cambridge system of education ['Of a Liberal Education in General, and with Particular Reference to the Leading Studies of the University of Cambridge', 1845]: 'We have still, as we have generally had, a number of alleged evils in the university, and a number of proposals for remedying them; and I think we shall be the more likely to succeed in this object, by taking a somewhat larger view of the matter than our college pamphleteers are wont to do'. Enough has been seen to suggest that 'the old universities cannot expect a continuance of the protection which they have been accustomed to receive at the hands of government'. . 1 doc. |
12 Aug 1845 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW sympathises with JCH at the loss of his brother Augustus Hare. 1 doc. |
16 Aug 1845 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW and Cordelia Whewell will come to JCH on friday and stay till sunday: 'It will be a great pleasure to me on many accounts to do so if it does not inconvenience you'. 1 doc. |
20 Aug 1845 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW still hopes JCH and Mrs Hare are coming to visit them at Cambridge in October. Trench [Richard Chenevix Trench] will be there every sunday of that month. WW hope Maurice [John F D Maurice] will come at the same time. . 1 doc. |
30 Sep 1845 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. One of WW's small projects is to get a fair hearing for English Hexameters: 'Will you help me?' WW wants to publish 'hexameter poems by several persons respected by the world'; JCH's translations of Gothe, John Herschel's of Schiller, WW's of Herman and Dorothea and those of several other Hexameterists. WW has 'just been reading with great delight Bunsen's [Christian C. J. Bunsen] Church of the Future. I hope it is to be translated. The appearance of such a work at present would, in my opinion, be a great blessing to us Englishmen'. JCH should try and persuade Bunsen to give WW an English edition of the work. Worsley [Thomas Worsley] is printing his Christian Advocates's book ['The Province of the Intellect in Religion Deduced from our Lord's Sermon on the Mount', 3 vols., 1845]: 'If he avoids shocking his colder readers by strange imaginations which have grown up in his mind during the long time that he has brooded over his system, he may I hope, carry with him many who like systematized fancies on religious subjects'. 1 doc. |
03 Nov 1845 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW hopes that JCH and Mrs Hare will definitely be coming to Cambridge April. Trench [Richard Chenevix Trench] and possibly Mrs Trench will be there. WW hopes also that Maurice [John F D Maurice] will be around at the same time: 'I hope Maurice has a good prospect of being appointed Reader at Lincoln's Inn. If there is any bencher to whom you would wish me to write pray let me know'. . 1 doc. |
28 Mar 1846 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW 'was very glad to hear, first from Douglas Gordon, and afterwards from Maurice [John F. D. Maurice] and Trench [Richard Chenevix Trench] that the King of Saxony has sent you a mark of his interest and satisfaction in what you had done respecting German theology. I am glad of it for his sake, quite as much as for yours'.JCH was wrong in supposing that 'the very dishonest private tutor that you read of in the newspaper was a Trinity tutor'. The person was Paley from St. John's College: 'well known as an extreme Romanizer. I had several months ago remonstrated with the Master of St. John's for allowing him to reside in College'. 1 doc. |
26 Oct 1846 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. JCH's hexameters arrived just as he is to begin printing ['Dialogues on English Hexameters', 1847]. 'I should like much to have some of Schiller's [Friedrick Schiller] Epigrams. I have myself translated 'Columbus' and 'Odysseus' which I shall insert, and I shall be much obliged for any which you can give me soon'. It was not WW who submitted the translation of Homer to the Blackwood [Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine]. He has tried to put it into English hexameters but has never been satisfied with the result. If JCH wants to give WW a specimen of his Homer: 'it will add to the interest of the collection and answer my purpose of showing how familiar to cultured men the English rhythm is'. Can JCH recommend a 'good discussion of the question of Church and State as it effects the continental nations, Germany and France'. WW must rewrite that part of his work in morality entirely ['The Elements of Morality, Including Polity', 2 vols., 1845]: 'One improvement in the mode of treating the subject will be to avoid the word 'Church' altogether'. WW has of course 'Bunsen's [Christian C. J. Bunsen] 'Church of the future' but that is not a general view of the question'. Mr Paley has been told to give up his rooms at St. John's College [see WW to JCH, 26 October 1846]. Thomas Worsley is printing his second volume of his Christian advocate's book [see WW to JCH, 3 November 1845]: 'The style is much better and simpler than it was in the first; the matter still to my thinking very vague and dreamy'. 1 doc. |
13 Nov 1846 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is pleased JCH 'will come to our commemoration'. He hopes Mrs Hare will also attend: 'Come on the 21st and stay as long as your Christmas calls will let you'. WW hopes by this date he will have made some progress in the Hexameters [see WW to JCH, 13 November 1836]: 'I am glad you are inclined to assent to my rules for hexameters'. 1 doc. |
07 Dec 1846 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW sends a proof sheet of some of JCH's hexameters [see WW to JCH, 13 November 1836]. 1 doc. |
18 Dec 1846 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. Thanks JCH for his corrections of WW's translation of Herman. WW gives a brief exlanation for the choice in words he used. 1 doc. |
05 Jan 1847 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW sends the first part of JCH's translation of Gothe's epistles. He has made one or two slight alterations and 'marked one or two other lines, always on account of the rhythm. I am desirous that in our book the verse should run smoothly to a common ear, so that the hexameter may get hold of people ['Dialogues on English Hexameters', 1847]. Afterwards, when it is become familiar, we may take greater liberties, or rather may aspire to a more comprehensive melody'. 1 doc. |
22 Jan 1847 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is pleased that JCH agrees that Prince Albert is the fittest person for Chancellorship: 'all people here fall in with the plan, except the Johnians who have put forwards Lord Powis, and must wait to see what he will do'. WW is glad that no one thought of Lord Lyndhurst: 'Indeed I do not see how they could, after (not to speak of other grounds) the atrocious bad faith of the heads of the party to their followers'. WW gives a brief history of an impoverished Trinity sizar, John Cartman, who WW sent away on finding his 'character and conduct not good'. He has subsequenly become a private tutor and WW hopes he has mended his ways. 1 doc. |
17 Feb 1847 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW will require JCH's help in the Chancellor's election: 'Lord Powis has put himself in the hands of a Tractarian Committee in London, and they will not let him withdraw' [see WW to JCH, 17 February 1847]. 1 doc. |
19 Feb 1847 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. The Hexameter book has been printed and is awaiting distribution ['Dialogues on English Hexameters', 1847]: 'I supppose you will give a copy to Bunsen [Christian C. J. Bunsen], so I shall leave him to you'. 1 doc. |
18 Mar 1847 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is sorry but not surprised that there is to be an election for the Chancellorship between Prince Albert and Lord Powis [see WW to JCH, 17 February 1847]. 'Goulburn [Henry Goulburn] is one of the Peelites; and the manner in which they deceived and disappointed those whom they had led to depend upon them cannot fail to excite a strong feeling of indignation. And laying aside all strong feelings, I do not see how Peel and his followers can ever again be of service preserving the institutions of the country'. WW does not see 'how Goulburn can be supported by those who have hitherto supported him; since his course, as a Peelite, must be hereafter different from what it has hitherto been. I should have great difficulty in voting for him on this ground'. Further, if 'Goulburn is thrown out, it will not be an anti-romish cry; for he has, in his letter to the electors, declared himself against the 'endowment of the Roman Catholic Clergy in England or Ireland''. However, 'I am not much conciliated by Goulburns anti-romish declaration, because I think it would go for nothing in the conduct of his associates; and I think, too, that it is only made for the sake of getting a few votes, and means nothing as to his own convictions'. 1 doc. |
17 Jun 1847 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW entirely agrees with JCH's reply to Milner on the subject of the application for a commission to inquire into the University: 'such an interference might do much harm but would not be likely to produce any good. As to Lyell [Charles Lyell], who is I believe one of the main movers in the business, I look upon him as the most bigotted of men in what relates to the Universities. You may judge of this from knowing that he holds the Universities to be entirely wrong in their arrangements, because the same persons lecture both in classics and in mathematics. This he has published in his Travels in America ['Travels in North America', 2 vols., 1845] (by way of an appropriate channel) as the great evil of Cambridge and Oxford: and though I tried to set him right in my last book about our studies, he will not believe that the fad is otherwise'. WW has seen the first issue of 'Politics for the People' but does not yet 'catch the object or hopes of the conductors'. 1 doc. |
09 May 1848 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. If JCH feels strong enough over the propossed changes of the examinations he can stay as long as he likes with WW at the time of the vote: 'It would be better that the graces should be carried by votes of non-residents than that they should be lost'. WW encloses a pamphlet by Philpott [Henry Philpott] which he hopes will draw opinions in their favour: 'I shall be much grieved if the graces do not pass, at least for the most part'. 1 doc. |
20 Oct 1848 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW responds to a query JCH has concerning two former members of Trinity in the early 1840s with the same surname: 'If the former is your man as seems probable, perhaps Thorp [Archdeacon Thorp] may be able to recollect something about the person'. WW thanks JCH for sending him a copy of his reply to the English Review concerning Sterling [John]. Has JCH seen the review of Trench's [Richard Chenevix Trench] Sacred Latin Poetry in Frazers Magazine?: 'a book which I much rejoice in' ['Sacred Latin Poetry, Chiefly Lyrical', 1848]. 1 doc. |
04 May 1848 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. If Ma Man is still with JCH on the 6th, WW will try to come to them for a day. He gave Mrs Augustus Hare a copy of his short critique of Hegel's vagaries to pass to JCH ['On Hegel's Criticism of Newton's Principia', 1849]: 'There is nothing which so entirely deprives men of all respect for German heads in the matter of reasoning as the way in which they have allowed Hegel to dominate over them. It appears to me that on every subject he is equally fanciful and shallow though he may not be so demonstratively wrong as in the matter of Newton. Sedgwick [Adam Sedgwick] is mightily delighted and entertained with my paper'. 1 doc. |
28 Oct 1848 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW cannot answer JCH's last letter in any distinct manner: 'and therefore we will, if you please, see what is to be said about them when I come to you'. JCH need not fear of WW coming forward as a candidate [Alfred Ollivant resigning his chair as Regius Professor of Divinity to become Bishop of Llandaff]: 'there will be no difficulty, if you get about it soon, in your taking the degree of B.D. in time: - the only degree which is requisite'. WW does not know whether JCH could retain his present rectory with the professorship. 1 doc. |
01 Nov 1848 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. The electors of the Regius Professor of Divinity must look upon JCH's claims as weighty. WW will consider how to bring the question of separating the professorship from the living to the Trustees [see WW to CJH, 1 November 1848]. He enjoyed his short stay at JCH's and had a good journey back to Cambridge. . 1 doc. |
11 Nov 1848 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW has ascertained the views of the Trustees who are to elect the Regius Professor of Divinity. They do not think a separation of the Professorship from the living would be wise [see WW to JCH, 11 November 1848]: 'In this opinion I agree for many reasons which it would be of no use to state in detail: but I may say briefly that this mode of endowing University Professorships appears to me at least as good as any which can be proposed as an alternative'. With the death of Dr French the Greek Professor succeeds to the stall at Ely. WW does not yet know who is to be the next Master of Jesus College: 'a matter of no small moment to us who have to work with him. The appointment is with the Bishop of Ely'. 1 doc. |
19 Nov 1848 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is sorry he will not be able to avail himself of Mr Woodard's invitation [Nathaniel Woodard]. WW is going abroad to join Cordelia Whewell. The daughter of John Herschel has been her companion since March. WW agrees with JCH that in electing Thompson [William Hepworth Thompson elected Regius Professor of Greek] they have got the best Professor there was to be had. As to the spinning tables, WW finds 'every year some prevailing charlatanism in London, and that of this year, is I think, about the most childish and imprudent that I have yet seen'. 1 doc. |
27 May 1853 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is pleased to hear that JCH is much better. WW wants him to cast his thoughts back to etymologies: 'You will still recollect with pleasure our old Etymological Society of (I think) 1832, though so many of the members have been called away from this world of words to the realities beyond the grave. I want to send a few memoranda respecting that Society to the existing Philological Society of London' [Philological Society, No. 117, Vol. V, Feb. 20, 1852]. 1 doc. |
20 Sep 1851 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW is pleased to tell JCH that he is mistaken over Miss Henslow: 'It is another Fanny the cousin of Prof. Henslow's daughter who writes to you. Our little Fanny whom you recollect is happily married to Dr Hooker, the son of Dr W. Hooker'. 1 doc. |
03 Mar 1854 |
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William Whewell to Julius Charles Hare. WW cannot be so near without trying to see JCH: 'I should like to come and see you some day next week'. 1 doc. |
30 Dec 1854 |